Bulgaria tells North Zaev: If you mention Macedonian language again, we’ll block you in NATO and EU

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Macedonia’s Tatar neighbors are not pleased with Zaev.

Krasimir Karakacanov, leader of the Bulgarian VMRO-BND party who is Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister in Boyko Borisov’s Government, told Zoran Zaev that he needs to stop mentioning the existence of a Macedonian language, unless he wants to lose any chance of having Macedonia join EU and NATO. Bulgaria doesn’t recognize the Macedonian people and language as separate from the Bulgarian, adding Macedonia held already signed an agreement that will completely review and rewrite Macedonian history books as a condition to allow further EU and NATO accession.

Macedonian langauge is not recognized anywhere as an official language. It’s only considered legitimate at the territory of North Macedonia. Zaev could demand this Bulgarian dialect to be declared as an official foreign language in Bulgaria, which is unacceptable and a provocation, Karakacanov said.

The nationalist Bulgarian politician reacted after Zaev’s statement which also caused anger in Greece. Zaev said that after the Prespa treaty is implemented, Macedonian living in the Aegean Macedonia region in Greece will finally be able to educate their children in Macedonian. This caused fury of reactions from Athens who in all fairness explained that they understand Zaev’s statements mean nothing both home and outside, but still should be careful what he says.

Karakacanov also condemned what was done so far by the joint Macedonian – Bulgarian commission of historians, which was formed under the treaty the two countries signed at the start of the year.

Macedonian representatives in this commission seek validity for a false version of history. Macedonian lands are Bulgarian and that is a historic fact. I will not allow people with unclear positions and a reverse interpretation of history to be allowed to join EU and NATO on Bulgaria’s expense, and then secretly introduce the Macedonian language there, Karakacanov said. Zaev also insisted that, once Macedonia joins the EU, the Macedonian language will be one of the official languages in the Union.

Karakacanov spoke a day after Bulgarian Foreign Minister Ekaterina Zaharieva compared Macedonian national identity with brain washing.

– I don’t think it (the recognition of Macedonia under that name) was a mistake, but a sign of good neighborly and friendly relationship. It will take time before we erase all trace of the brain washing done by former Yugoslavia, when it insisted that Macedonians exist, Zaharieva said.

And this is how a tatar turkish tribe calling itself “Bulgaria”, is writing our history books. But, understandably, Macedonians have no desire to protest because the name of the country is not the same as gas prices, which are way more important. In addition, yellow vests are not readily accessible.

  • Tony

    Blackmail blackmail blackmail
    Bend over Zaev “Zaev replies how far down”
    Puppet fucker. I sure hope to see the day when his whole forsaken family is punished.

    • Legenda Patriot

      I can stand the sight of this fucking peder. I just want to see him suffer at the hands of the poor people he has criminally betrayed. A public hanging is too merciful. His time will come!

  • Goran Stavreski

    So, my confusion is… at least six EU countries have said they would block Macedonia’s EU integration no matter what the name is…
    Denmark
    Holland
    France
    and the lesser countries: Hungary, Greece, Bulgaria

    • Athan Paris

      Please include Russia also..

    • vistina

      Zaev has tried to please all the neighbors and now they are all turning against him. The Greeks and Bulgarians don’t want the Prespa agreement and the Albanians are pressuring him with more demands.

      Under the Prespa agreement Zaev can’t mention Macedonians in the Aegean, then he does a “joint Ilinden celebration” with the Bulgarians for Goce Delcev and other national heroes that are from the Aegean. This breaches the Prespa agreement. He has made so many agreements they are clashing with each other and making him look like a fool. He should not done any of these agreements and instead worked on the economy which has collapsed since he got in 2 years ago.

  • Only Liberty Matters

    Why haven’t the Macedonian people gotten rid of this ugly prick yet

    • NPanamevris

      Because there is no Macedonian people, only ex-Yugoslavs that call themselves “Matsedonias”

      • vistina

        Macedonians have existed thousands of years before the name “Kingdom of Yugoslavia” was thought of in 1929.

        • NPanamevris

          Yes they have, & they were/still are all Greek. They all self identify as Greeks just as Alexander the Great did nearly 2500 years ago.

          • Only Liberty Matters

            Thats why it took the HellsArse 350 years to conquer the Macedonians and they could only do it with the help of the Romans looks like history repeating. Cowards then and cowards now. Can’t do anything by themselves.

          • NPanamevris

            You people never fail to insult the Greeks with ur stupid “HellsArse” comments, I guess its a case of when credible arguments don’t exist, insults take their place.
            If ur not cowards then why haven’t you come to take it back after getting ur independence in 1991 if u think Macedonia is yours?? or are you waiting for help from ur cousins the Turks & Albanian’s??

          • Dimitri Ristevski

            @NPanamevris. So, you want legitimate arguments… Please read on:
            Sources provided:
            1. Strabo – GREEK Geographer form the 0080’s AD. http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekFeb2011&query=Str.&getid=1 His full works here. States that Thessaly was the Northern Most Country in greece. Thessaly was south of Macedonia. He also calls them the Macedonian Nation and the Macedonian empire. He refers to greek more like a land, like europe would be considered nowadays, rather than a cohesive country.

            2. Encyclopedia Britannica: Philip of Macedonia was not greek, but when he conquered the southern neighbours, he had to resort to using diplomacy and forging alliances. This resulted in many writtings being in greek.
            https://www.britannica.com/biography/Philip-II-king-of-Macedonia#ref274202

            3. Far before Tito and VMRO: 1903 uprisings – Macedonian Freedomfighters fought the Ottoman rule, see article from a British newspaper of the time: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1903-08-16/ed-1/seq-24/ The Bulgarian prime minister states that they are the Macedonian National Movement.
            You can also see papers form Ellis Island ~1910 of people signing their nationality as Macedonian, here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/

            4. The reason EVERYTHING is greek nowadays is because of a complete history re write that occurred in 1840. byt the Bavarian king Otto, with the purpose to unite the people of the former kingdoms and destabilize the ottoman empire in the region. Please see the GREEK documentary on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11SqikjePlA&list=RD11SqikjePlA&start_radio=1&fbclid=IwAR31-s58VX_8BwY1UZ-Fc3bU3Ycy1QPXqPFwiiq39pwiUMQfQkwiESVKqk0

          • Dimitri Ristevski

            @NPanamevris:disqus I have more… please let me know if you want more facts that disprove your petty assumptions.

  • byblos

    You need to either join the Bulgarian camp or the South Slav camp of the Serbs and Serbian lands which is what you were part of before Tito made you believe you were a separate people. You cannot call your language Macedonian just like your country’s name cannot be Macedonia. The word Macedonia is not originally Slavic if this makes it easier for you. So how you jumped onto this Macedonian bandwagon, I don’t know, but you certainly lack a history as all your historical sites were either built by the Bulgarians or Serbs.

    • bebea

      Macedonian is separete people just like Scots Engans Irish and fare more: Bosnian Serbs and Croatian are different camp besides they have the same language.Did yu understand Biblos?

      • byblos

        Croatia also got it’s independence after the world wars. Up until then it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Yes, Serbs and Croats speaks basically the same language, but Croats are making so many deliberate changes to make it sound different to Serbian. Many historians and some Croats historians say that Croats are just Catholicised Serbs.

        • bebea

          Our language is 20% different from Serbs lang.and 20%different from Bulgarian.So,we are unique.
          Its obviouse yu love history.So why you dont just go in UK or Ireland and explore their historical fact

          • byblos

            Bebea it’s not about feeling unique, it’s about having a many centuries if not a 1000 year history that supports evidence of a people. Your history as a nation does not go back more than 150 years. Your nations history does not span back to the middle ages as this regions was the conflence of Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs. There was no mention of your nation 700-800 years ago let alone 1000 years ago. This land changed hands between Greeks, Bulgars and Serbs.

          • vistina

            Greece goes back to 1821 and that did not include aegean part of Macedonia. Less than 200 years. You celebrate 25 March 1821 every year with the newly created blue and white flag?

          • NPanamevris

            FYROM goes back to 1991 which only includes 5% of authentic Macedonia. Less than 30 years. You celebrate 8th September 1991 every year with a newly created red flag with a yellow ancient Greek symbol!!

          • vistina

            Ancient symbol of the Kingdom of Macedon. Enemy and conqueror of the ancient city states.

            Phillip II was Macedonian. Demosthenos was Greek and hated the barbarian.

          • NPanamevris

            That ancient Greek symbol was used all over ancient Greece by many Greek city states including Macedonia as has been proven by the ancient Greek archaeological artefacts found in Greece & yes, Philip did conquer the OTHER Greek city states & became leader of all the Greeks, that’s what happens in a civil war… but u probably don’t no what civil war means.
            Demosthenes was an Athenian politician that wanted to insult Philip because Athens was in fear of losing their rule over the Greek city states. The Spartans were also called Barbarians by the Athenians, that doesn’t mean they’re not Greek!!

          • vistina

            Kingdom of Macedon was not a Greek city state.

          • NPanamevris

            Umm, yes it was…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom)

            Macedonia or Macedon (/ˈmæsɪˌdɒn/; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía), was an ancient kingdom on the periphery of Archaic and Classical Greece,[4] and later the dominant state of Hellenistic Greece…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians

            The Macedonians (Greek: Μακεδόνες, Makedónes) were an ancient tribe that lived on the alluvial plain around the rivers Haliacmon and lower Axios in the northeastern part of mainland Greece. Essentially an ancient Greek people…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argead_dynasty

            The Argead dynasty (Greek: Ἀργεάδαι, Argeádai) was an ancient Macedonian royal house of Dorian Greek provenance.[1] They were the founders and the ruling dynasty of the kingdom of Macedon from about 700 to 310 BC.[2]

            Their tradition, as described in ancient Greek historiography, traced their origins to Argos, in Peloponnese, hence the name Argeads or Argives

            Read proper history & not propaganda fantasies!!

          • NPanamevris

            This is what Eugene Borza has to say about ex-Yugoslavs who think they are Matsedonian…

            “The 20th century development of a Macedonian(sic) ethnicity, & its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history & politics, the Macedonian’s(sic) who have had no history, need one”

            “The Macedonian’s(sic) are a newly emergent people in search of a past to help legitimise their precarious present as they attempt to establish their singular identity in a Slavic world dominated historically by Serbs & Bulgarians”

            “If the claim is based on ethnicity, it is an issue of a different order. Modern Slavs, both Bulgarian & Macedonian’s(sic), cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions – mostly emigres of US, Canada & Australia – even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity”
            Eugene Borza – In the Shadow of Olympus…

    • bebea

      Macedonia is unique That is important.Whether our language is Slavian or Macedonian,that is a matters of Macedonians only 😉

      • byblos

        This answer of yours is not justification for the language or your people’s collective name. If you are unique you should have called yourselves Krusevo republic. Your language is definitely a Slavic one and not a Hellenic one. So calling yourselves Macedonians is just ironic. During the Balkan wars and uprisings agai st the Ottoman empire, your people were always switching between being brothers of Bulgarians and then liberating themselves from them.

        • bebea

          Our ppl.collective name we choose long time ago.Understand?Our language is Macedonian(group of Slavs languages) Its not matter of what kind of language is Macedonian ‘ Fare more important is a fact that ‘macedonian’ language was a native language of people who were and are living in a north part of Grece and in a west part of Bulgaria

          • vistina

            In the late 1800’s 90% of geographic Macedonia spoke Macedonian. Then 1.6 million refugees came in 1926 from the Greco-Turkish war in the Treaty of Lausanne.

        • Dimitri Ristevski

          The language issue is really a NON-Issue. Language does not define nationality. People in Canada, USA, Great Britain and many others AAAALLLL speak english. Does that make them all english? Hell NO… please think of a better argument, that cannot be disproven with simple logic. Cheers.

    • Car Samoil Ohrid 🇲🇰

      Why don’t you just go back and learn the truth about Makedonija and not the Greek history and then talk, do you even know what you’re saying?
      Makedonija always was and will live 🇲🇰

      • byblos

        Mr Samoil, if there was something for me to go back to and learn the truth about Makedonija I would, but your history does not go back further than 30 years ago where you got your independance, or let’s say 50 years ago where Tito wrongly recognised you as a separate entity within Yugoslavia. Any further history only goes back 100 or so years where some of your people fought for the very short lived Krusevo republic. Before and after this short lived independence you “Macedonians” did not know whether you were fighting with or against the Bulgarians. The only statement that can be made is that you are a mixed people from the confluence of two people who are the Serbs and Bulgarians with some admixture of Greeks. This makes you unique, but not enough to use the name Macedonia. As for history from the middle ages and before you have none, as your nation never existed back then. This land changed hands between Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks, the three most influential powers of that time. Most historical churches on the territory of your nation today were built in the middle ages by Serbs. I know very well what I am saying. The fact that you said Makedonija always was and will live means that you feel fear that your nation will not exist. I hope you are right, but your population of 2,000,000 with one third Albanians does not look promising. One day Macedonia will only live in the hearts of the people of your diaspora.

        • vistina

          Same arguments apply to Greece, a modern nation made with a few ethnic peoples including Macedonians. Land changed from being ruled by Kingdom of Macedon, to Romans to Ottomans. So called “slavic incursions” went as south as the Peloponnese. In recent centuries large populations of Albanians and Vlachs, last century a huge influx of refugees from Turkey and central Asia.

          Macedonia is not one third Albanians, Where did you get this figure? There are more Albanians in Greece than in Macedonia and this is not counting the many people with some Albanian ancestry.

          Last census in Macedonia was in 2002 and Albanians were 25%. This was done soon after the influx of refugees from the Kosovo conflict and there was the usual fraud of inflating figures with fake IDs. Since then many went back to Kosovo and many have emigrated to European countries. The figure is below 20% and this is matched by official statistics from health department and emigration records. That is why a Census has been avoided for the past 16 years because the percentage has fallen below the 20% mentioned in the Ohrid Agreement in 2001. In all the Macedonian elections the number of votes for Albanian parties is nowhere near one third of registered voters. They typically win 20 or less seats in the 120 seat parliament which is 16% of the seats.

          When was the last ethnic census in Greece? 1953? They wouldn’t hold a fair ethnic census without intimidating and harassing people and falsifying figures.

      • NPanamevris

        Why don’t you just go back and learn the truth about Makedonia and not the Slavic history and then talk, do you even know what you’re saying?
        Makedonia always was and will live!!

  • Wolf

    Do the Macedonians even really want to join Nato or the EU anymore?? After what is happening to them???

    • byblos

      That’s what I was also thinking. I think they are hoping if they join these structures, it will keep them from disintegrating further. It’s there only hope.

    • vistina

      What happens if any country vetoes Macedonia for EU or NATO? How to reverse any constitution amendments?

  • Charlie Bovin

    Seriously what a joke so my great great grandfather and mother that i waa lucky enough to spend a little time back in the 1970s spoke to me in macedonian the church grave yards mind you a village has a seven plus centuries we have barn houses in macedonian villages older then most contries fools ANTIQUITY DONT HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA THUS .TELL NO LIES THE BIBLE ANCEINT MAPS MACEDONIA UNTIL LATE1700S THEN START OF 1800S WAR AND TERROR BY DESIGN NONEOTHER THEN WESTERN EMPERIAL ZIONIST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AGAINST OUR CHURCH THEREAE MANY FACTS OCUPIED MACEDONIA NORTHERN GREECE VILLAGE ZDREBRENI BURNT TO THE GROUND SEVEN TIMES THE EXTENT OF THE MURDUOROUS PSYCHOPATHS FOR THE MACEDONIANS TO SUBMIT SWEAR OATH TO THE NEWLY CREATED GREEK ZIONIST ORTHODOX CHURCH WE THE MACEDONIANS HAVE OUR VERY OWN UNIQUE CULTURE FROMTHE WAY WE MARRY TO THE WEBURY OUR LUVED ONES YOU CAN KEEP UP YOUR HOKUS POKUS LET ME ASSURE YOU WITH OUT MACEDONIA IN THESOUTH EAST BALKAN PENNINSULAR WHATDO YOU HAVE NOTHING SKAVINGERS PICKING AWAY NOTHING OK FACT WE ARE THE OLDEST IN HUMAN HISTORY ITS OUR ANCIENT SCRIBE FOUND ALL OVER THE GLOBE ANTIUQUITY DOES NOT LIE NEIGHBOURS BROTHER KILLING BROTHER FOR THE PROFIT OF ANOTHER VULGARI GRCI SRBI ALBANCI ALL OF WHICH ARE NEWLY CREATED STATES POLITICAL FACTS SO GO FUK YOUR SELVES DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU WILL WIN LETS SEE WHAT IS YET TO COME UPON THE HORIZON TRAITORS ZIONIST PULLETTS WE THE TRUE BELIEVERS WILL BRING BACK THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD THAT WONT HAPPEN WITH OUT WHAT OUR RUSSIAN COUSINS REFER TO AS OLD BELIEVERS IT IS FROM MAKEDONIA NOT WESTERN ZIONIST EMPERILISM HYPOCRACY HOW FUCKING SILLY U ALL ARE WE ARE ONLY SCRATCHING THE SURFACE NOT TIME TO ESCAVATE 7 Layers of a culture that dates back a fucking lot of mileinia nothing that comes from the ground archilogically has anyof the neigbouring countries braindeads yet all has my mother tongue plasted throughout all of history makedonia most regal of monarchs in human hisory the three Queens today the welsh the danish &spanish trace back their blood lines ok the very reasonthey are royal they are from the macedonianroyal dynasty ok you wonthood wink all of us with your holly wood fantazija idiots check english german records how a macedonian national army is recorded fact record fact world macedonian congress 1600s seaking Autunomy from the ottoman yoke never to be they all had embasys in macedonia for the purpose of the destruction of the macedonian culture and its citizens do think karma dont exzist you will never suceed even if i was one of the last true macedonians god bless macedonia humanity one inthe same zionist puppetts wake the fuk up.you have no right to stand in the way of my right of passage universal 3 centuries ur rain of terror redrawing of maps creatingwars so as to make the common folke believe in a false belief war and terror by design now you are cornered russia china will no longer be bullied by you pyshopaths crimes against humanity of titanic proortions ke ve jadime so zabi we do not need weapons karma is a nasty bitch she alao happens to be my sister she is comming believe it not all those will end in ill fate you mother fuckers will pay you will decide the fate of my offslrings kurats you idiots are playing yourselves into your own demise the sooner the better to many years ni gazete na pravo sloveni not slavjani every thing about your whole system is a contradiction lies on top.of lies fuk.eu fuk nato.why did this take place then government illegally overturned because macedonia gaining momentum signing super projects with china and russia the zionist puppetts quickly moved inUSA GR BRITIAN.THERE WOULD BE JOBS MONEY GENERATED FOR THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZIZENS THE LARGEST ANTI GLOBAL DEMOMSTRATIONS IN HUMAN HISTORY NOT A MENTION INMAIMSTREAM MEDIA GO FUK YOUR SELVES I KNW YOUR PLANS LIKE ALL.ARE IN FOR RUDE AWEKENING YOU THE EVIL WILL BURN BY THE SUN THE UNITED ORTHODOX FRONT UNDERGROUND REVALUTION WORKING OVER TIME WE WILL IRADICATE THE FACISTS ZIONISTI DONT FORGET VLAD IS ON OUR SIDE WE SHARE THE SAME GOAL TO UNIFY THE BALTIC N BALKAN WHICH CANNOT BE STOPPED BY ANY ONE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE LET ALONE YOU CHALATANS THAT HIDE BEHIND YOUR FRACTURED SYSTEM BASED ON THE AXIS OF A THREE LEGGED STOOL ONE LEG GOES YOU WILLCOME CRASHING DOWN not a matter of how but when very soon long overdue as inscribed in stone from thousands of years told by high priests of Eygypt masters of the human race macedoins
    Pusi kur shallow numb hoodwinked space cadets there is no such a place as greek ATINA MY GREAT GRANDMA NAME WELL FROM THE TIME OFTHE LEGENDS ATINA SISTER TO MAKEDON TWO KINGS EVROP AND EVROP THE 11WHICH DAUGHTER PRINCESS EVROPA LATER MUCH MUCH LATER EUROPEAN CONTINENT NAMED AFTER MACEDONIAN ROYALTY ANTIQUITY DOES NOT HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA NOR DOES IT LIE WAKE THE FUK.UP.STOP.WITH YOUR PUTTING DOWN A HOSPITABLE PEOPLE which are not a threat stop betrayingus all zionist puppetts you will not decide the fate of gods creation whst you believe you are gods please spare me from your mediocar contradictions sooner then one believes the fight for good vs evil is upon us lets rok n roll god bless you all have a great day learn to read between the lies TRUTH DARE SHED LIGHT ON
    YOU TO SHALL JOIN WORLDS MOST WANTED LIST TO MANY EXAMPLES OK WAKE UP
    WE ARE LATE TO LATE AS SAID NEVER TO LATE TO SAVE HUMANTY GO FUK YOUR SELFES LEAVE US ALONE WE HAVE A UNIQIE CULTURE OF OUR OWN SO GO EVOLVE FIND YOUR OWN DUMB CUNTS WAKE UP HOW MUCH PROOF IS NEEDED IT IS ONLY YOU SIDE WITH YHE DEVIL.FOR THIS YOU SHALL ALL PAY DEARLY IDIOTS

  • Charlie Bovin

    Same old macedonia when ever had a chance of a revival you can trace back their work from 1800 then into middle east and so on to later date early mid 1900s war n terror by design they will soon crumble togas ke vidime komsite nasi kako stauri ge begat ke se molat up until 1920 there was not a greek speaking citizen in all of greece go check recorded facts the zionist plan written late 1700s put into acton against the macedonian christian population macedonia was headline news macedonian freedom fighters historical fact labelled worlds first terrarists from the mid 1930s the mention of macedonia never again from.1950s they start with the instatutions spreading lies totally ignoring facts and the suffering crimes against the macedonian christian population A Captain from IRA CAPTURED IN HIS LAST NOTES BEFORE BEING HUNG STATES I KNW OF TWO EUROPEAN HISTORICAL TRAGDADIES MACEDONIA AND MY BELOVED IRLAND TO MANY WESTERNERS THST HAVE THROUGHT OUTALLOF HISTORY STATED FACTS ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF MACEDONIA AND ITS CULTURE SO PLEASE IDIOTS YOUR BULLSHIt dont hold water yet all over the world by facts alone can prove with ease only we are not part of zionist plan devide amd comquer not only have they destroyed cultures they destroy the moral fabric that binds us they destroy our families so keep on commimg down on a peacefull people do the work for the zionist it will come around that it will that it will.so nieve so easly mislead

    • bebea

      Why yu can’t write a little more understandable?

      • Charlie Bovin

        Why becausse you are all.marching ants so all mu life i need go back get people buzzimg clear open minded pure of heat practisimg free will humanity has been a burden not only in my life the whole macedomian population has to be a sacrafice negotiate pusi kur we the macedonians domt negotiate we are the cradle of human history 1800 to 1948 9.american boombers first time neypalmdropped on the innocent souls mothers infants children 250 thousand iin a few hrs until that momement they my people where burned not taking oath into the new orthodox man almost 6 tbousamd inhabitants burnt to a crisp.all.the house every women child baby ok recorded facrt want me to send you refrence ok.the grandeur of slauhjter set upon phllhellenes n turks hand in hand enjoying their savagery on my people then half cast that during well documented 1920s populatin on mass scale millions 3 to million peoples most exhamhed was the migrants from egypt coptic christions brought in taught in the newly created greek attix kurats experts from dead sea scrolls indeed antiquoty does not lie rhis is not greek this is the common koine lamguage of the macedoniak inscribed in stone unril the 19th centurie none of our neighbours appear any where in antiquity ok pusite kur western eperialst ziomist evol psychos your days are numbered mwntion macwdomuan languagw block me dixk head puai kue you cam omly bloxk me jerw wow wee look at me you puppett vo temnica ke ste gometi will of the goda unfortunaty you block makedon so koj kur put us in a corner za sapun da ve storime

    • NPanamevris

      Charlie, I have 2 questions for you; If no one spoke Greek in Greece before 1920;
      1) what language did the people of Greece speak??
      2) what changed after 1920 & how did they start speaking Greek??

      • vistina

        Modern Greek, Macedonian, Vlach, Albanian spoken. In 1920’s a huge influx of refugees from Turkey and Black Sea regions. Greek demotika schools established all over Greece in the 1930’s to teach the modern Greek language to everyone.

        • NPanamevris

          Sorry Vistina, but Charlie sounds like a fool. First he says that “up until 1920 there was not a greek speaking citizen in all of greece go check recorded facts” … Now YOU talk of a huge influx of refugees from Turkey. According to ur peoples information, these migrants are Christian Turks, so why not speak Turkish instead of modern Greek?? Sorry but ur hypothesis has more holes in it than Swiss cheese!!

          • vistina

            They did speak Turkish when they first arrived and some spoke Armenian. You have a lack of knowledge on this topic. Then in the 1930’s the dictatorship and General Metaxas era suppressed all the native languages in any public use.

          • NPanamevris

            Yes, I lack the wisdom & knowledge that you have but I was never educated by ur Dedo or ur propaganda. I learnt my history from the English, French, German academics & not some self professed historian like Milenko or the other hero of yours who wears 2 watches!!

          • Dimitri Ristevski

            @NPanamevris:disqus You are very active at promoting your propaganda… Here are some facts that aren’t from Dedo.

            Sources provided:
            1. Strabo – GREEK Geographer form the 0080’s AD. http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekFeb2011&query=Str.&getid=1 His full works here. States that Thessaly was the Northern Most Country in greece. Thessaly was south of Macedonia. He also calls them the Macedonian Nation and the Macedonian empire.

            2. Encyclopedia Britannica: Philip of Macedonia was not greek, but when he conquered the southern neighbours, he had to resort to using diplomacy and forging alliances. This resulted in many writtings being in greek.
            https://www.britannica.com/biography/Philip-II-king-of-Macedonia#ref274202

            3. Far before Tito and VMRO: 1903 uprisings – Macedonian Freedomfighters fought the Ottoman rule, see article from a British newspaper of the time: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1903-08-16/ed-1/seq-24/ The Bulgarian prime minister states that they are the Macedonian National Movement.
            You can also see papers form Ellis Island ~1910 of people signing their nationality as Macedonian, here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/

            4. The reason EVERYTHING is greek nowadays is because of a complete history re write that occurred in 1840. byt the Bavarian king Otto, with the purpose to unite the people of the former kingdoms and destabilize the ottoman empire in the region. Please see the GREEK documentary on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11SqikjePlA&list=RD11SqikjePlA&start_radio=1&fbclid=IwAR31-s58VX_8BwY1UZ-Fc3bU3Ycy1QPXqPFwiiq39pwiUMQfQkwiESVKqk0

      • Dimitri Ristevski

        1)Today they speak a language called Greek.
        2) Pre 1830 the residents of the Southerner balkans spoke Albanian, as per Greek documentaries and papers. They were taught “Greek” by the Bavarians, who needed the people of the peninsula to unite against the Ottoman empire, under one banner. The banner chosen was “Greece”

  • Sam Sule

    I don’t understand this world